54 - Be Fruitful and Multiply...Like, a Lot

[00:00:01] Hi everyone, welcome to the Cult I Left Behind podcast. I'm your host Amanda Briggs and I'm here to tell you my stories of growing up in the IBLP cult

[00:00:13] Would you might know from the Dougher family?

[00:00:15] And I'm your other host, Kyle Briggs. I'm Amanda's husband and I have not heard most of these stories before so stay tuned and we'll all get traumatized together

[00:00:30] Alright, welcome back to the next episode

[00:00:33] What are we gonna talk about today Amanda?

[00:00:35] This is the lead into the Quiverful Movement.

[00:00:39] We're technically still in the 6 purposes of marriage, but this is the cult basis for what is known as the Quiverful Movement

[00:00:50] Having as many kids as you can to send them out into the world as arrows that shoot straight in every sense of the term

[00:00:59] Like they definitely need to be heterosexual to shoot straight for Christ

[00:01:03] So, yeah all of the straightness that applies to arrows straight by following a rules and straight by only being attracted to members of the opposite gender

[00:01:18] Yeah, just all the straightness

[00:01:21] Okay

[00:01:22] I'm having a week with this topic because also like a topic warning for people who need it

[00:01:30] The fertility is discussed in this and this has just been like a week of life coming at me around that topic

[00:01:37] And I'm not loving it

[00:01:40] Hmm, yeah, I know you had some rough patches of that last week

[00:01:44] Should we tell them what happened

[00:01:47] So, I'm in a community health education program

[00:01:52] So, a really important part of that is learning how to teach and how to educate

[00:01:57] So, I'm in this class about education and we all had to prep a topic of our choice to teach our classmates

[00:02:06] To start applying principles we've been learning about pedagogy and

[00:02:10] Being a nerd who served in the space force. I taught my classmates or but only canics which was fun for a bunch of public health professionals

[00:02:20] They were like really getting into it though it's great and then this other woman she's she's the sweetest person in the world

[00:02:28] and

[00:02:29] It's gonna be so great at what she's doing. She's developing some curriculum for pregnant mothers

[00:02:37] And

[00:02:38] She tested it out on us and we all had to play pregnant women and

[00:02:44] There was a lot to it including like put your hand on your belly and like feel the babies and we were

[00:02:50] a lot of role playing yeah

[00:02:52] So, I'm sitting there like trying not to be totally checked out because I definitely started dissociating

[00:02:59] But also I really care about this person. I think she's wonderful in the work she's doing is phenomenal

[00:03:04] So, I wanted to like be present for her and give her good feedback about it that also likes sitting there pretending to be pregnant when I can't be and

[00:03:12] Having my hand on my belly that will never have a baby in it like

[00:03:17] It's not the most fun in the world

[00:03:19] And then of course this week we're talking about having a million babies and what to do according to bill if you struggle with fertility

[00:03:27] So

[00:03:28] It's really dumb

[00:03:30] It does really dumb

[00:03:32] It definitely sounds like a week for you. Yeah a couple weeks. Yeah, so if I swear more and

[00:03:39] This one this is this is why I'm not real happy about this topic at the moment

[00:03:45] but

[00:03:47] We press forward because you know we have to get to purpose number five

[00:03:56] So the fourth purpose of marriage according to the cult is fruitfulness

[00:04:02] So we're gonna talk about how to have a million kids how you're sending if you're not having

[00:04:06] You million kids and then what to do if you can't have a million kids according to bill

[00:04:12] You've been warned

[00:04:13] You've been warned so how I'm gonna cope with this is humor and swearing good

[00:04:20] I'll try not to swear too much but also

[00:04:26] So

[00:04:27] basically bill starts this whole section by saying that

[00:04:32] If you can have a bunch of kids you're blessed by God

[00:04:36] So to those of us who can I guess we're not blessed by God

[00:04:39] And then Christ taught his disciples that the purpose of

[00:04:44] Pruning in their lives was to cause them to bear much fruit

[00:04:48] This would be a sign that they were his disciples and it means by which they would glorify God. I think

[00:04:53] I think bill's little confused because that was like

[00:04:56] Much fruit in that context in John 15 is like converting more people

[00:05:02] To Christ and he's using this like bearing children and I'm pretty sure that like

[00:05:08] All of the apostles were celibate and or didn't have children like Paul famously never married

[00:05:15] Because he was supposed to devote his energy to

[00:05:19] Spreading the gospel instead of raising children and caring for a wife

[00:05:24] So I think bill's just a little confused there. So this is the note on which we start the topic

[00:05:28] Just you know misinformation and

[00:05:31] This interpretation

[00:05:34] That's a great precedent for what we're about to get into

[00:05:38] So the principle because of course this is the advance

[00:05:41] seminar and we're talking about you know life principles according to bill

[00:05:46] So the first principle is life multiplication from Genesis because God told Adam need to be fruit full of multiply and replenish the earth and

[00:05:55] Subduate and and this is how we learn math in the cult in order for God's purpose to be accomplished in the world

[00:06:01] We need to think in terms of multiplication

[00:06:03] Not addition

[00:06:05] Because it needs to multiply greatly

[00:06:08] exponentially

[00:06:11] And in the very nature of God is to multiply life whereas the nature of Satan is to multiply death

[00:06:19] So the opposite of multiplication is death

[00:06:25] Put that in your mouth

[00:06:26] It makes sense now because we went through

[00:06:31] One of the wisdom booklets and

[00:06:33] It was talking about the math and like this this definitely sounds like one of those examples where it's like here's how you learn math is just some weird

[00:06:42] scenario in which you need to to do math to figure out how to

[00:06:47] interpret the word God

[00:06:48] Yes, that was it. That's as deep as math goes

[00:06:51] So of course God has a hidden design which Kyle what is God's hidden design bill's plan? Yes

[00:06:57] So the key is viewing children as God's blessing

[00:07:02] Bible verses to support this

[00:07:05] The strength of church and the nation depends upon the fruitfulness of its families

[00:07:13] So

[00:07:14] See when you say that or when I read that verse what I think is like their works not

[00:07:21] Time in the bed

[00:07:25] I also don't like the fact that they're grouping church in the nation in a sentence like

[00:07:32] I do believe in separation of church and state as a concept

[00:07:36] That is constitutional that we should follow

[00:07:40] as a nation, but you know what I'm going to

[00:07:44] And then how how is Satan attacking the hidden design of marriage fruitfulness or bills plan?

[00:07:50] Exactly. Well Satan's goal is pleasure without responsibility

[00:07:57] No one likes dancing

[00:07:59] No, you can't just have sex for pleasure

[00:08:02] It has to be so that you can procreate and be responsible for life forms

[00:08:06] That sounds like a really

[00:08:09] Great way to make sure people never have sex again

[00:08:11] I guess we're the way to take a fun out of it

[00:08:15] We can't have fun, Kyle God isn't about fun, remember

[00:08:22] What is God's plan for fruitfulness? It's it's to be fruitful and multiply

[00:08:28] Which just come on folks you already said that the actual Hebrew words contained in this command to go be fruitful and multiply

[00:08:36] Leave no question about God's will and the matter of family size

[00:08:42] Okay, I love how he doesn't even like say what the Hebrew is but it's okay. He's built so he's right

[00:08:48] Be fruitful. Oh, he does he does put the Hebrew meaning to increase and multiply

[00:08:54] Meaning to increase exceedingly and

[00:08:57] Replenish the earth meaning to fill up the world to overflowing

[00:09:01] So if you are not increasing exceedingly and filling up the world to overflowing with little minions for Jesus

[00:09:08] You are doing sex wrong and did you know that few couples have stopped to consider how great an impact they could make on the world by obeying the first commandment

[00:09:18] And the process of discovering their potential however many couples would be horrified to realize the damage which is already occurred in our churches and nation

[00:09:27] By the acceptance of humanistic philosophies

[00:09:31] Again, we're here to take over the nation for Christ America needs to be based on the cult's ideologies not the constitution

[00:09:40] Well, but all's the cult wasn't specifically the United States either so some more like world domination

[00:09:47] Well, that was build ultimate plan. Oh, the hidden agenda of secular humanism which is a phrase

[00:09:54] I heard about a million times growing up is to reduce the size and strength of the family

[00:10:00] A strong family that understands and lives by biblical principles is the single greatest threat to the ultimate control of humanistic forces

[00:10:10] I noticed the wording there. It's hidden design when

[00:10:15] Bill needs you to buy into his idea and then this is the hidden agenda because that sounds way more deceptive and

[00:10:24] manipulative

[00:10:27] In scripture Egypt is a type of the world's system

[00:10:31] When gods people began to multiply in the land of Egypt

[00:10:35] Pharaoh and his officers became alarmed so

[00:10:39] Basically this is all the like why people in the cult were told they were persecuted like we are here raising up a generation for Christ

[00:10:46] So just like the Egyptian pharaohs were freaked out when the Israelites began to multiply and increase in numbers

[00:10:53] So too shall the evil humanistic Americans around you be freaked out when we raise up this generation for Christ

[00:11:02] That's creepy. Yeah, like that's definitely something I would expect a cult leader to say like you're gonna face opposition and they're just trying to get you

[00:11:13] Constantly not maybe your ideas wrong and then here's the as pharaohs first program to control the Israelites

[00:11:19] Population was to work through the medical community of the day

[00:11:22] The midwives were instructed to kill the male children however they refused and got blessed them by giving them large families

[00:11:28] So there's your anti abortion pitch

[00:11:30] Pharaoh's attempts to discourage gods chosen people failed because of the commitment of

[00:11:35] The Hebrews to have large god fearing families

[00:11:39] So you just need to have a large god fearing family and everything we find

[00:11:43] But when Pharaoh's attempts to reduce the family size of the Israelites failed

[00:11:47] He tried to dissipate and destroy them through hard labor

[00:11:51] However, this only served to strengthen their ranks and prepare them to be a victorious and powerful nation that was to influence the world

[00:11:57] So again persecution is coming

[00:12:00] So as the apocalypse just that was part of it. They were hand in hand persecution and apocalypse

[00:12:06] Just always come in at you in the vault be impact that one couple just one couple

[00:12:12] Following God's first commitment could have on a nation and the world is staggering

[00:12:18] If this couple had just six children and each of their descendants has six children and each one was trained in the ways of the Lord to be mighty in spirit

[00:12:27] There would be in only five generations

[00:12:31] 19666 descendants and spouses because they all get married of course

[00:12:37] To some one of the opposite gender and procreate accordingly

[00:12:43] So as you can see math was really important to the cult. Oh, this is one of those key mathematical numbers that you can do a math problem on

[00:12:51] Yes, as a female you just need to know how to do fractions so you can bake and then some

[00:12:57] Multiplications so you can figure out how many generations it's gonna take for you to have a mighty number to overtake the world

[00:13:03] That's all you need to know

[00:13:05] nothing else like it's so

[00:13:08] basic

[00:13:09] The ceiling is so low on the math you need to learn that was like the epitome of it like oh

[00:13:16] Here's here's an opportunity to do a multiplication or division problem

[00:13:22] And that's as much as you need to know

[00:13:24] Mathematically speaking yes, but now now we're gonna take that same family

[00:13:29] And if they decided to have 12 children will not decide it because you have no agency and how many children you have

[00:13:36] You've got blessed them with 12 children and each of their descendants got blessed with 12 children each

[00:13:42] Because there's no infertility in the slide anywhere and everyone gets married

[00:13:46] heteronormatively in Procreates

[00:13:49] Then the total number in five generations would be

[00:13:54] 21455 and the seat of that couple

[00:13:57] Would certainly be mighty upon the earth

[00:14:00] And there are no heretics in there no gay people like everyone gets married

[00:14:05] Of course, you can't talk about that

[00:14:08] Any

[00:14:09] Infertility if I haven't said that yeah, yeah

[00:14:11] And me that would been a prime example of like learning compounding interest on you financial accounts

[00:14:17] But let's not talk about that just compounding people

[00:14:21] Exactly

[00:14:22] If large family sound unusual or inappropriate to us it is only because we have been influenced by the deceptive philosophies of humanism

[00:14:32] Humanists have carried on a persistent

[00:14:35] Propaganda campaign to convince nations that the world is overpopulated and has dwindling natural resources

[00:14:42] Oh man

[00:14:47] Like you hear that now I feel like is a

[00:14:52] In common

[00:14:53] Culturally in America like that seems to be a

[00:14:56] topic but I don't remember ever hearing that kind of stuff

[00:15:00] When he was writing this like

[00:15:02] 20-30-80s 90s yeah granted, I was I can't and probably wouldn't have that sense

[00:15:07] Thinking about the humanist propaganda that said that you know

[00:15:13] The climate was changing

[00:15:15] Because of course the climate isn't changing

[00:15:19] That's just humanist propaganda

[00:15:24] These assertions are total myths and are very destructive since they provided the rationalization for abortion

[00:15:30] Steralization in in fantasy, yuthanasia and suicide

[00:15:36] That escalated quickly

[00:15:40] So then we have a picture of the globe

[00:15:43] Is the world facing the threat of a repopulation?

[00:15:47] Kyle is it?

[00:15:50] Well, Bill answers this in all caps. No

[00:15:53] Actually the world is comparatively empty

[00:15:57] There are 52.5 million square miles of land in the world not including Antarctica

[00:16:04] If all the people in the world were brought together into one place they could stand without touching anyone else

[00:16:10] Unless then 200 square miles

[00:16:13] I wonder if that was actually true at the time of swiss ridden

[00:16:16] And then we have stuff that proves it with the city of Jacksonville, Florida because

[00:16:21] That helps

[00:16:24] I don't know

[00:16:25] I don't know

[00:16:27] But every person gets 2.6 square feet

[00:16:31] It's really important to prove that we can all stand in a certain square mileage not think about like the water and yeah

[00:16:40] You know, yeah, I don't I'm curious if his math was taking into account like how many gallons of water each human uses

[00:16:47] How many pounds of food need to be produced just eat each human?

[00:16:52] But I guess this is another way math matters. You can figure out area

[00:16:56] Of a city and then figure out how much area each person needs to stand so that they are touching shoulders to shoulder

[00:17:05] Because that helps somehow

[00:17:07] Biggering out world problems

[00:17:09] It's so weird

[00:17:11] From a public health standpoint, this is like useless information but I don't know

[00:17:16] A further fallacy and the population explosion myth

[00:17:20] myth is the assumption that the greater the population the lower the standard of living and this is not true

[00:17:26] Because food deserts don't exist

[00:17:29] They don't

[00:17:32] Extreme sarcasm oh now we start talking about in other countries

[00:17:37] So Japan has a population density of

[00:17:40] 798 people per square mile

[00:17:42] Yet they have a higher per capita gross national product than India

[00:17:47] Which has 511 people per square mile

[00:17:50] China has a population density of 232 persons per square mile

[00:17:55] West Germany has 636 per square mile and so on for the UK until we get to the United States has only 60 people per square mile

[00:18:06] Again, this was written in very long time ago

[00:18:10] The 1973 handbook on population third edition

[00:18:13] Reports the following considerations about population and the available land area to support it

[00:18:22] Let me see if I can just sum this up. Oh my god. It's using like the Pentagon in the Empire state building

[00:18:27] It's basically saying everything's fine. We can fit everyone in the Pentagon

[00:18:34] And that total birth rates in the US have dropped 4% since 1970

[00:18:40] Even though the number of potential mothers in the population increased so since this Bureau

[00:18:45] Analysis estimates that these figures would translate into a total fertility rate of 2.3 children per mother

[00:18:52] Women if you're not having 2.3 children you're failing

[00:18:56] The US is already gone below the point of population stagnation and has entered an area of population

[00:19:03] An era of population decline

[00:19:05] Again, this was a long time ago

[00:19:08] I'm sure the population is increasing since he wrote that

[00:19:11] I think it's interesting that they're just focused on like this is how much land there is

[00:19:17] Like we have ground we can put people's feet on not like

[00:19:23] All of the things it takes to keep human alive habitable in yeah water food

[00:19:30] Junker

[00:19:31] And I'm coming at this from like

[00:19:34] At when I was a child hearing the stuff I was like well, of course

[00:19:38] We're just humanists and see 10 it can secular we want to you know

[00:19:44] Not raise up the next generation for Christ so everyone's out there trying to reduce the population

[00:19:49] We should be increasing it for Jesus like I just I don't know this stuff. I didn't question

[00:19:54] I just believed it and

[00:19:57] Looking at it like critically as an adult like okay they're just literally talking about square miles

[00:20:03] The Pentagon and how many people you've been excited not they're talking about land mass not

[00:20:08] Resources to keep humans alive

[00:20:11] Fed sheltered yeah, closed very basic. Yeah

[00:20:15] You can stand people on the ground. Yeah. It's not a good argument

[00:20:20] I don't know where we are with population and you know resources

[00:20:24] I actually don't know current statistics but I think that there are human to supportly done

[00:20:29] The point I'm making

[00:20:31] So is the world running out of vital natural resources? Kyle what do you think Bill's gonna say? Of course we've already passed the tipping point

[00:20:39] No no cabs. It's not running out of vital natural resources. Oh because he can he needs everybody to

[00:20:46] Procreate that there's ample resources

[00:20:50] Projections of running out of energy or food sources are totally misleading

[00:20:57] God gave to man the command and ability to fill up the world with people and to subdue the earth for their own needs

[00:21:03] So of course we're fine

[00:21:05] Shortages of one product have always been a motivation to create a new product from existing and often overlooked resources

[00:21:13] So while you're standing in your 2.6 square feet you need to be developing new resources

[00:21:20] Again with like little bit of truth in there to twist things around

[00:21:25] There's a lot of food resources that we haven't explored yet as a human race

[00:21:32] Civilizations such as the Mayas and Incas were not destroyed through lack of natural resources but by moral decadence

[00:21:43] Which came by rejecting biblical truth and devoting themselves to the passions and

[00:21:50] The passions of perverted pleasure of course. So we're not gonna like

[00:21:55] You know kill off people by not being able to

[00:21:58] Give them food and water. It's going to be by having sex outside of marriage

[00:22:06] Write that down everyone

[00:22:08] Don't have sex outside of marriage you are contributing to the decline of our civilization

[00:22:16] How many of the 55 million babies that the world has considered

[00:22:20] Expendable in his aborted in the last 10 years

[00:22:23] What had been destined to discover amazing new sources for food or energy?

[00:22:28] That was a really common argument against abortion growing up like that I heard we've we've killed the inventor of

[00:22:36] Like cancer treatment

[00:22:38] Like that that baby that would have grown up to save everyone from cancer was aborted

[00:22:45] Right, that was yeah, I've heard that argument before

[00:22:50] That was very common

[00:22:51] Does India have widespread hunger because of lack of food all caps? No

[00:22:57] India does not have a hunger problem because of lack of food it has a hunger problem because of

[00:23:02] Religious beliefs which are contrary to the word of God

[00:23:05] So people are starving in India because they don't believe in Jesus Christ

[00:23:11] Of course

[00:23:12] And this is the shit that I was like I literally grew up thinking that that was the problem like

[00:23:20] People are suffering

[00:23:22] Because they're being cursed because they don't believe in Jesus not because there's like real problems there

[00:23:27] Correct

[00:23:29] So then it

[00:23:31] Then it says a lot of things about Hinduism

[00:23:35] Oh my god

[00:23:36] Are we getting into the other religion bashing now?

[00:23:38] Yeah, so um it talks about how

[00:23:42] cows are sacred

[00:23:46] and

[00:23:47] Every cow eats enough food to feed seven people and there are 200 million sacred cows in India

[00:23:54] If the people of India would just stop feeding these cows they would have enough food to feed one billion

[00:23:59] 400 million people that is more than one fourth of the entire world's population

[00:24:05] So their religion is causing them to starve

[00:24:08] Surprise you didn't say it they could just eat all those cows that would solve their problem

[00:24:14] I guess like growing up with this like they do even like question this or we just like yeah, it makes sense

[00:24:21] I didn't and it's interesting because like

[00:24:23] I don't follow religion anymore, but I do believe in being respectful of people's deeply held faith beliefs

[00:24:30] And just like how flagrantly this disrespects other religions doesn't sit well with me like why they're not

[00:24:36] I agree with it. I don't big you should make craft statements about people's deeply held spiritual beliefs

[00:24:43] And I just missed that as a child like of course if they just ate the cows like

[00:24:49] Everything would be fine if they just believed in Jesus everything would be fine

[00:24:54] Oh now we're back to how many people per square mile

[00:24:59] Compared to Italy in England and the Netherlands and Taiwan

[00:25:06] The alarmists who used just statistics to try to prove that there is a population problem fail

[00:25:12] To account for God's judgment on nations that violate his principles

[00:25:17] They also overlook the tendency among

[00:25:19] Deccident civilizations to kill their own children

[00:25:22] Because the wicked have little regard for their offspring God warns his people to avoid contact with them and commands his people not to learn their ways

[00:25:32] Okay, with the isolation tactics

[00:25:34] I'm going to echo chamber and just keep creating babies. I mean there is that but by me by this standard

[00:25:40] You also shouldn't be picketing at abortion clinics either because you're in contact with evil people

[00:25:46] Which is in violation of God's principles

[00:25:49] So I'm just gonna throw that out there

[00:25:53] Why is the decision to limit family size contrary to the grace given by God for marriage?

[00:25:58] So he's gonna pick some verse about being fruitful

[00:26:02] Well, he did pick a verse from first Peter husband and wives are heirs together of the grace of life

[00:26:09] When a couple prohibits the God or Dane result of the marriage act

[00:26:13] They are in a very real sense defrauding each other and denying the Lord

[00:26:19] So folks if you are married again, only heterosexualy and you have sex

[00:26:26] Without the intent to get pregnant you are in fact defrauding each other and denying God

[00:26:32] So just think about that next time you're doing the nasty

[00:26:36] Defrauding each other denying God that is what you are doing bill said so so it must be true

[00:26:43] I could have a lot of fun with this later

[00:26:48] God or day in the functions of marriage and because God is present and a part of the blood covenant of marriage

[00:26:54] It is a very serious matter to withhold that which was publicly promised

[00:27:00] God's embed with you and you're withholding what you publicly promised him

[00:27:09] Oh man oh, and then we talk about the pullout method

[00:27:15] From the Bible

[00:27:16] Oh, and I think that's how you say it this was all man. I did not understand this growing up

[00:27:23] I just knew there was some guy who quote with drew himself and spilled his seed upon the earth

[00:27:31] I don't remember it

[00:27:33] Yeah, and he was killed because it displeased God. Oh, yeah, so if you're using the pullout method God might kill you

[00:27:42] That's the risk inherent in the pullout method. It might displeased God and he might kill you

[00:27:47] Oh

[00:27:49] Yeah, oh no one threw the marriage act but with drew himself before it was completed his actions

[00:27:54] Displeased the Lord and he was killed see John is so 38 the same violation of integrity and honesty

[00:28:01] Ingiving was judged in the new testament by the lives of anonius and safira which is a totally different context that was money

[00:28:12] not

[00:28:14] Seaman so

[00:28:17] And both of these cases the individuals gave to another individual but their gift was evaluated by the Lord

[00:28:24] Each time a couple engages in a physical relationship

[00:28:27] They are reaffirming their marriage covenant and the vows which accomplished it or the vows which accompanied it

[00:28:34] Oh my god, it is therefore completely inconsistent to promise complete commitment and then prohibit the physical results

[00:28:40] Which that commitment will bring so if you are not a judge waiting

[00:28:45] Into the woman who are displeasing God who is there with you?

[00:28:52] You might kill you and

[00:28:55] You're not fulfilling your marriage covenant. I would have paid good money to sit in the auditorium

[00:29:01] And listen to this pain reached at the advanced seminar. Oh my god

[00:29:08] I just be in the back laughing hysterically

[00:29:14] So so I mean

[00:29:20] So crazy this is

[00:29:23] Assign I can

[00:29:34] How does family planning interfere with God's design? No, sorry

[00:29:40] How does family planning interfere with God's planning? I don't know but this might be my new favorite act

[00:29:52] Kind opens and closes the world. Oh gee, that's all we have

[00:29:57] Just some Bible verses from first Samuel and Genesis

[00:30:00] What are the consequences of sterilization

[00:30:05] No, the second mix of me a bunch of fear mongering that

[00:30:09] Your testes might explode I think it's what this is getting

[00:30:14] He quotes for different studies. They're actually footnotes. This is the only time I've seen footnotes in any

[00:30:21] IBLP ATI

[00:30:23] Materials thus far that must mean he's like really trying to manipulate something

[00:30:28] There is growing medical evidence

[00:30:30] Growing that long-term effects on the immunological system are caused by

[00:30:36] What Kyle your face better know the second me

[00:30:42] After vasectomy the sperm production is the same as before

[00:30:47] Okay, according to this since there is not a normal passage for the sperm

[00:30:53] There either consumed by just destroyer cells within the body or

[00:30:58] Degeneration and produce antigens the antigens cause antibodies which will frequently infiltrate the bloodstream

[00:31:04] When this happens other cells begin to manufacture antibodies against the sperm

[00:31:08] When the body generates defenses to ward off cells of its own making it becomes autoimmune or allergic to itself

[00:31:17] several

[00:31:18] studies have found

[00:31:20] Such antibodies

[00:31:21] Generated in 55 to 75% of patients within two years after vasectomy

[00:31:29] Are you allergic to yourself now if you've had a vasectomy?

[00:31:32] One of the nation's foremost surgeons who performs reverse-holes of the

[00:31:36] Sectamies and two-bligations has reported that quote blow out a current body

[00:31:43] And a pathological condition exists because of the Sectamies

[00:31:46] So so what is blowing out is not the testies? I assume it is saying there's the buildup and then

[00:31:54] It ruptures somewhere and honestly I had medically told the other

[00:32:00] Sectamies were you told but you might blow up internally

[00:32:02] Just curious the physical and emotional consequences of a tubaligation or equally serious

[00:32:10] I'm sure that was a huge no-no in the cold. Yes, we'll both of them should we tell my story about this

[00:32:21] Oh man so when I was married to my act oh this story I know you're going now. Okay, yeah

[00:32:28] I guess I just assumed we'd have kids but the time was it right and

[00:32:35] It was never right and five years into marriage my act decided he didn't want to have kids

[00:32:39] And that if we had kids he like straight up told me

[00:32:44] They would be my responsibility. He was not going to make any sacrifices for them

[00:32:48] He was not gonna take them to dentist appointments to soccer games like that would all be on me

[00:32:53] I would have like I would have to take on the entire role of raising the children because he was not going to

[00:32:59] Make any changes in his life to accommodate

[00:33:02] Children and I thought about that really hard and

[00:33:05] Realize that if I had kids with him I would resent him and I would resent the kids and I wasn't gonna do that to any kid of mine

[00:33:10] Like it was not going to resent it but the problem was birth control made me really really sick like I

[00:33:18] Could not be on birth control

[00:33:21] Also, I can say that God never struck a stead for the pullout method so

[00:33:26] Throw that out there. It's also very

[00:33:29] It's not actually a good

[00:33:32] That a birth control

[00:33:33] Well, it's just also very

[00:33:37] Irresponsible or I don't know it's just not taking accountability because like

[00:33:41] It takes two people yeah and if you participate in that and you end up with a kid like

[00:33:49] Then that is also a yes, yeah, so he said absolutely it would be my responsibility

[00:33:57] And then he's so I said well okay how about you get a vasectomy because

[00:34:02] Birth control makes me second. He said no but because I was the person who was sick on birth control

[00:34:07] I should get a tubal ligation and also if anything ever happened with us he wanted to keep his options open

[00:34:14] Jesus

[00:34:16] And when I told some of my best friends this after we got divorced they were like you should have left him right then

[00:34:25] And how in retrospect I should have I just didn't know that at the time

[00:34:28] I saw a lot I was supposed to stay and make it work

[00:34:32] No matter what so

[00:34:35] After much thought and in keeping mine this was all like the way the cult talked about

[00:34:41] Two obligations and bisectimates was still like I wasn't in the cult anymore at this point, but you know

[00:34:47] It was so pretty fresh. Yeah, and this was evil

[00:34:49] So I made the very hard decision between what I considered the lesser of two vehicles to have a tubal ligation

[00:34:56] So that I could not

[00:34:58] Be on birth control which made me violently ill and also not get pregnant with someone who had said they were going to like not be a parent

[00:35:05] Or a partner to me if I happened to get pregnant

[00:35:10] and

[00:35:12] Like they tell you a million times as you go in for that procedure like you are signing off on it until they knock you out

[00:35:19] Like they check with you five million times. Are you sure you want to do this? You know this means no baby

[00:35:23] Sorry, you want to do this and I

[00:35:26] I was very calm about it. They said that I was like the most calm

[00:35:30] Patient they'd had going into a tubal ligation, but I think it was because I knew like I

[00:35:34] could not get pregnant with him

[00:35:37] I couldn't and I could not be violently ill on

[00:35:42] Birth control anymore and my thought was okay like

[00:35:46] He's enough for me if we'd if we never have kids together like he's enough for me

[00:35:51] But also if he ever changes his mind there's still adoption there's still IVF because at the time I could that would still have worked for me

[00:36:02] It doesn't anymore, but back then it would have and

[00:36:07] So I I agreed to the tubal ligation, but like

[00:36:10] That sounds like yeah, I mean it sounds like that was almost like a

[00:36:15] You were doing that for your own safety too. Yes, yeah, that was not for him

[00:36:20] that was because I

[00:36:24] I could not have children with him. I knew it would not be safe for them or for me

[00:36:29] and

[00:36:31] I thought I was gonna be with him forever

[00:36:34] We've got the worst degree here. Take yourself from him. Yes, yes. That's very interesting

[00:36:41] Like place to be yeah, you're making these

[00:36:46] Very final decisions

[00:36:49] To protect yourself from him, but also

[00:36:52] Telling yourself like he was enough

[00:36:55] Like like extreme polar opposites

[00:36:59] Yeah, but he's the same time. Yes, cults

[00:37:03] Buck up your brain, but I don't think that's just cults like I think that's

[00:37:07] Manipulative abusive relationships because I mean I've I've talked with him

[00:37:11] We're with so many women who weren't in a cult and made similar decisions in that dichotomy of like this person is harming me

[00:37:20] And I love this person and

[00:37:23] This person is bad for me and I want to be with this person and

[00:37:27] This person is terrible to me and I made commitments about so this person and I will say

[00:37:35] Because we did get divorced. I am grateful every day. I did not have children with him

[00:37:41] Because I think it would be horrible for my mental health if I had to be in contact with him all the time

[00:37:47] about a child or children we shared

[00:37:51] I

[00:37:52] Did have one miscarriage before that and I I grieve

[00:37:57] That child always and if if that pregnancy had worked out

[00:38:07] You know, I would have figured it out still being in touch with him

[00:38:11] But since that didn't and because I took such extreme steps to not have kids with him

[00:38:17] Like I'm very grateful. I don't have to deal with that aspect

[00:38:22] Also, I'm still alive so apparently God didn't strike me dead for people like you

[00:38:26] So yeah, but I don't know all things around

[00:38:36] Making babies is just weird for me because like how I was raised

[00:38:41] in relation to the concept of procreation

[00:38:46] versus how my adult life

[00:38:49] Went and has worked out like they're just so

[00:38:54] opposed to each other. It makes for some

[00:38:58] Interesting emotions

[00:39:00] By bed around all of this

[00:39:06] So then of course the next step is what are the benefits of reversing sterilization

[00:39:12] Because if you have it done, you must have it undone

[00:39:14] You are godly

[00:39:17] The following testimonies give first hand documentation of victories

[00:39:22] Victories one in lives by reevaluating and reversing the world's philosophy on birth control

[00:39:29] And then we get you know how a family reverse the regret of a tubaligation

[00:39:36] The one example

[00:39:39] And then it talks a little bit about how to deal with your insurance company

[00:39:46] About paying for a reversal surgeries how a family put the planning back in God's hands

[00:39:52] We have two stories and then we get to the real bullshit what steps can a barren couple take to have children?

[00:40:02] Hmm and increasing number of couples are desiring to have children

[00:40:05] But are being told by their doctors that it is medically impossible for them to do so

[00:40:10] Based on the fact that God is the one who opens and closes the womb and based on the principle that he desires to multiply

[00:40:16] For fullness the following four steps are recommended

[00:40:20] So now builds a fertility expert. Yep, you're medical advice from Bill. Hmm. He did get a PhD

[00:40:28] You know I think he self awarded it

[00:40:31] Yes

[00:40:32] One fully dedicate to the Lord your desire to have children

[00:40:38] Two

[00:40:39] Make sure that the music in your home follows biblical principles your face

[00:40:46] I know it's gonna be something crazy

[00:40:48] You can balance of rock and various kinds of contemporary music produces tensions and also spiritual warfare in the home

[00:40:56] Which can have a significant effect in preventing inception good music contributes to a sense of inner rest

[00:41:03] Which is important for conception to take place

[00:41:07] Fuck you Bill

[00:41:11] And then to have children

[00:41:13] The third thing is you follow the guidelines of biblical abstinence

[00:41:18] So you had children abstain

[00:41:21] And then it it tells you how the seed of the husband is strongest

[00:41:26] After the full 14 days of abstinence. However, however, we had a listener send something in about that

[00:41:35] And I trust this listener way more than I trust Bill when it comes to

[00:41:40] Fertility stuff because I know this listener in real life

[00:41:44] So

[00:41:45] This is from marine. There's a lot more to it, but generally speaking a sperm count

[00:41:50] Motility and morphology is the quote best if he is abstained for two days

[00:41:55] But no more than five days

[00:41:58] This is because sperm has a short lifespan of around five days, but men are constantly producing sperm

[00:42:03] But the only way to expel the quote dead sperm is through ejaculation

[00:42:08] Thus why a gynecologist will say to try having sex every other day for an entire cycle in order to conceive

[00:42:15] But that might not work because every man's sperm life cycle is different. This window is based on averages

[00:42:21] That's why getting sperm tested for abnormalities if there are difficulties and conceiving is so important

[00:42:28] And too many conservative men refuse to masturbate and therefore their own fertility issues go undiagnosed

[00:42:35] So there's that, but yeah, so sperm is not the best after 14 days of abstinence

[00:42:41] The window is two to five days, but you should talk to a doctor

[00:42:47] Like a medical provider who went to school for this and and get help figuring out what your window is because

[00:42:57] All men's sperm window whatever she called it

[00:43:01] They're different many couples are experiencing conception after recognizing that the inability to have children is a

[00:43:08] Physical infirmity and thus following the guidelines given in James five for dealing with

[00:43:14] You know medical issues which is if anyone second among you called the elders of the church and

[00:43:21] annoying them with a while and pray so why should Christians delight in having large families if God allows it

[00:43:27] Well children are God's gift and heritage

[00:43:30] Large families are a foundation of human happiness

[00:43:34] Based on Psalm 127 verse five

[00:43:37] Wales Wales oh and then we have the hidden message of the lost a pearl

[00:43:45] I think I've been ruined with the word hidden now

[00:43:48] You might say it and I'm like that's

[00:43:51] Sounds like bill

[00:43:53] I don't really want to read this whole thing

[00:43:56] It's about

[00:43:57] a boy who

[00:44:00] When on vacation in Florida when he was 11 he went swimming with his brother the shallow water revealed an oyster badge

[00:44:08] They dug up oysters he found a pearl

[00:44:12] Okay, he didn't realize what it was and he threw it back out in the water and at midpoint of its flight back into the water

[00:44:18] He realized

[00:44:21] That he had thrown away a pearl because his focus had been wrong. He was trying to find

[00:44:26] I don't know something else with the oyster. I'm just giving this he tried to find it again

[00:44:32] He was horrified he told his family they all looked for it

[00:44:37] But their schedule was up they had to leave vacation and go home

[00:44:42] And when he was 25 he got married and for some undefined reason

[00:44:48] He rejected for seven years the suggestion that we have children

[00:44:53] Because he thought he had valid reasons

[00:44:56] But it turns out he didn't because he wasn't listening to the church. He finally had a child and realized his

[00:45:04] amazement he liked having children

[00:45:08] And

[00:45:09] Discovered all of the rewards that he didn't know he was missing and now they've been told they can't have more children

[00:45:17] And it was like he threw away all the excitement and anticipation of a newly discovered future

[00:45:23] Have vanished it seems like there's a void in our life like four or five

[00:45:27] Children have just been killed

[00:45:30] That's dramatic

[00:45:33] What makes the burden so heavy is that we had the treasure within our grasp and we threw it away because they waited those seven years

[00:45:40] So that's like the pearl he threw away his child

[00:45:44] Yeah, that was the hidden message

[00:45:47] The pearl from when he was 11

[00:45:53] How a couple discovered that God's family planning included a monthly honeymoon

[00:45:59] So they do you know bills abstinence for 14 days and then they plan a big celebration

[00:46:10] Evening it's like going on a honeymoon every month the reasoning and the logic is so weird and I know you

[00:46:17] You didn't have a cult marriage

[00:46:20] But I'm really curious to hear that

[00:46:22] From somebody that had a cult marriage

[00:46:26] Yeah, because like in some of the other stories and

[00:46:32] Stories you've heard from people like

[00:46:35] There's like the women are scared of

[00:46:38] Having sex with their husbands

[00:46:40] And then there's this two-week period where they don't have sex

[00:46:46] Like what is going on in

[00:46:49] The woman's brain and that like two weeks is that just like pure relief or it's just dread because

[00:46:55] In two weeks they know something's gonna happen. It's just a very weird dynamic

[00:46:58] And I don't understand his whole absence and thing when it's like you must have a million kids

[00:47:03] But also don't have sex and also like there's a short window, but also abstain for 14 days and also like

[00:47:11] After you have a kid depending on it's

[00:47:14] Whether it's a boy or girl like you must

[00:47:17] Obscain for this law like there's just a hell of a lot of abstinence in addition to like

[00:47:22] But failure quiver anything. I was just away he controlled people

[00:47:26] It seems irrational though or illogical

[00:47:29] Like the the reasoning behind it is just all over the place

[00:47:33] It's like it's just straight control not for a

[00:47:36] A reason though like

[00:47:38] But it's it's nicely disguised and like this is how we're gonna be fruitful and multiply the earth for Christ

[00:47:43] Or impobulate the earth for Christ just do everything I say exactly how I say it when I say it

[00:47:50] So then he goes through this whole lineage of everyone in the Bible we would have missed out on if they hadn't had sex according to how

[00:47:59] You know Bill says

[00:48:02] Even if they had you know one

[00:48:06] Less child then so and so wouldn't have been born and then so and so wouldn't have been born

[00:48:11] I think ultimately traces to Jesus being born so

[00:48:14] If people hadn't had sex the right way we wouldn't have had the lineage that led to Jesus

[00:48:21] So selfish reasons for not having children here we go

[00:48:27] One we will lose our freedom

[00:48:29] Two we cannot afford them which seems like a wise thing but no that's selfish

[00:48:34] Three the wife will lose her physical attractiveness

[00:48:38] But don't worry if you fast and practice biblical abstinence

[00:48:43] God renews your youth like the eagles

[00:48:47] Someone oh three verse five

[00:48:53] They might rebel against us is number four number five is they will grow up in an evil world

[00:49:00] Number six is the world is overpopulated

[00:49:04] This destructive myth has already been discussed and refuted

[00:49:07] Seven there may be medical complications sorry if you die having the baby just make more babies

[00:49:13] How should we respond if the doctor tells us it is medically impossible to have a child

[00:49:18] Ignore them and follow Bill's principles and make sure you're listening to good music

[00:49:23] Right, how can a couple determine the size of their family?

[00:49:27] The size of the family including adopted children must be based on the faith of the couple so you're not deciding

[00:49:33] God is have faith and

[00:49:37] That's it

[00:49:40] So in summary

[00:49:42] Don't pull out God might kill you

[00:49:45] Definitely don't use birth control don't have a vasectomy don't have a tubaligation

[00:49:50] Don't think about if you can afford to have children

[00:49:53] Blame it all on people in India, you know feeding their cows instead of killing them like

[00:50:00] Don't listen to rock music and definitely don't have sex, but also have sex so that you can produce children for Christ

[00:50:12] All right well there you have it. Can I be done now be fruitful and multiply but also

[00:50:21] Don't but do all right well that wraps up this week's episode and we'll be back on Monday

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