[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Hi everyone, welcome to The Cult I Left Behind podcast.
[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host, Amanda Briggs, and I'm here to tell you my stories of growing up in the
[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: IBLP cult which you might know from the Duggar family.
[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm your other host, Kyle Briggs.
[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I am Amanda's husband and I have not heard most of these stories before so stay tuned
[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and we'll all get traumatized together.
[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright welcome back to the next episode.
[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you have for us today Amanda?
[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Amanda?
[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, marriage purpose number two which is pleasure which is really really messed up.
[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen any of this so I don't know.
[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: This is usually what happens is Amanda does some research on something and then I go
[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: ask her if she's ready to record and then she looks at me with like disbelief in her
[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: eyes of I can't believe what this is and then I don't ask anymore questions and
[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: then we now we're here.
[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So funny thing this was a long time ago but we got a comment or a message or something
[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: from someone who is like it's so condescending the way you talk about this like it's like
[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: it's the first time you're ever going through it and you haven't prepped at all
[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and I just laughed when I saw that because we like I look through some stuff but today
[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I skimmed it like I don't have time to prepare everything in huge detail usually
[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and Kyle has definitely never heard it before so yeah to dispel any myths we don't sit down
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and have a business meeting and plan this out and go like and then you'll react like this
[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and then we'll laugh.
[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is definitely very ad hoc.
[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So in case anyone was worried about or wondering about that that's how we actually do it.
[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So I skimmed this and again this wasn't something I had access to when I was here
[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: because we're going to talk about sex.
[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.
[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: We can't have that.
[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So this a lot of this was new to me and it's let's just jump right in.
[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So marriage purpose number two pleasure Bill starts off by saying it's really
[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_03]: important to distinguish godly pleasure from lustful pleasure.
[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Even in marriage you can sin with your pleasure.
[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Just keep that in mind everyone.
[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So in God's presence there is fullness of joy and pleasures forever more but in Satan's domain
[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: there are pleasures of sin which only last for a season.
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're not having godly pleasure you're in Satan's domain
[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's not going to last people.
[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You think you're having fun now but it's not going to last.
[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So the first principle of pleasure is actually self control.
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Now keep in mind this is all like in the cult you only have sex in the context
[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: of marriage so he is only specifically talking to married couples through this whole thing.
[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So everything we talk about in this episode in the cult only applies to married couples.
[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So they were you would go through this seminar prior to being married or like just I think so.
[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I don't know how that part of it was handled because in in the book
[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: in the advanced seminar book that we're going through they use a lot of vague
[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: terminologies on me I don't.
[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm actually just going to spell out what it means.
[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So that'll be fun for everyone but yeah I think that's why they use such vague
[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: terminology because we can't we cannot talk about detailed aspects of human
[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: sexuality in front of the unwed sin horrors.
[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah keep in mind this is only for married people.
[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So y'all like this is a great date night episode.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Just a casual Tuesday date.
[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly so if you're married and holy and godly grab your partner and listen to
[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: this episode if you are not married just know you are in Satan's domain sinning.
[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: How could you.
[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So the first principle.
[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Sarcasm by the way people the first principle of pleasure is in fact self
[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: control.
[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So here's what Bill says about self control in marriage.
[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Any wholesome activity can be turned from enjoyment into drudgery by excessive
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: indulgence.
[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It is enjoyable to participate in recreation.
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_03]: However if we were required to do it every day it would lose its function of
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: joy and become labor.
[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Sex won't be fun anymore if you do it every day guys.
[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand.
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand how it's like you must have as many kids as possible
[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but also like don't have sex all the time.
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that this is specifically because like apparently men weren't
[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: pleasing their wives like women maybe weren't having a lot of fun in the
[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: cult with sex so they were like I don't want to have sex.
[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So Bill has to address this because we do have to have quiverful like lots
[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: of kids.
[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah I guess he's telling guys like lay off so it doesn't feel like
[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: drudgery because you're not pleasing them.
[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if like the female orgasm was even something the cult knew
[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: about let's be honest.
[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So definitely not that they would care about.
[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah women are just supposed to be a vessel for making the next generation
[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: of Christians so well cult Christians.
[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah I think that's why there's this emphasis on self control probably
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: because women were viewing sex as drudgery which I know happens outside
[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: the cult.
[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So like if you have sex with a woman figure out how to make her happy
[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just good for the world.
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: There has been a lot of stuff just around abstinence even in marriage
[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: though so I would assume that's where self control also comes in play.
[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we have God's hidden design remember that is Bill's favorite
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: thing to make up God's hidden designs.
[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Bill's idea.
[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So the key is abstinence during specified times but Satan is attacking
[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: the hidden design of marriage enjoyment.
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: His goal is self gratification.
[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So how Kyle can marriage enjoyment be maintained?
[00:06:44] What are you laughing at?
[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Satan's Satan is trying to attack you through self gratification.
[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah section be fun for anyone.
[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh jeez.
[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that like a don't masturbate note from Bill?
[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That but also probably like if you're just trying to get off that's bad too
[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: because you can't have physical needs that are being consensually met with
[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: you know in a healthy and respectful relationship.
[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: God no.
[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Just for procreation.
[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But pleasure is a concept we just don't know how yet.
[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We just don't know how yet because we're supposed to be abstaining from it at
[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: this point and remembering that God has a hidden design and Satan's trying
[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: to ruin everything.
[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Does that make sense if you're trying to control people's sex lives?
[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You just start with what's bad and like just even in marriage.
[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah let's just set the set the stage here that just don't do it.
[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad.
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's self gratification.
[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Satan.
[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Before you even know what the hell you're doing.
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I have so many other thoughts but let's continue.
[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So God designed periods of physical abstinence for the spiritual, mental,
[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: emotional and physical help of the couple.
[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The Bible apparently says this because he references first Corinthians.
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay guess what the first period of abstinence is Kyle?
[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the first thing we're going to talk about when Bill talks
[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: about sex?
[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The menstrual cycle.
[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: The menstrual cycle of course.
[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: During the wife's monthly period and after the birth of a child,
[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: a husband is to abstain from a physical relationship with her.
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: God identified.
[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: God, Kyle, God identified these times in his instructions
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: to the nation of Israel so that they could be healthier, wealthier
[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and wiser than any other nation.
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Now we have like prosperity gospel in here somehow.
[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: If you abstain from sex with your wife, because remember it's only
[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: heterosexual married couples doing this thing.
[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_03]: If you abstain from sex with your wife, you will be healthier,
[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: wealthier and wiser.
[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that totally ties together.
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh but he's going to explain why with your creativity, what
[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: you're supposed to do with your sexual energy as a man.
[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get to that.
[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I just remembered.
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: No, you're not going to Bethel.
[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not going somewhere peaceful.
[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like out there creating.
[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But not babies, because you're abstaining.
[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so then.
[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but if further times of abstinence or desire, they should
[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: be mutually agreed upon and only for spiritual purposes.
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It can't be like the wife saying, I'm sick of not having
[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: orgasms and sex being all about you.
[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to have sex tonight.
[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It has to be like, I don't know, however you spiritualize that.
[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you have sex, God's way, Bill's way, I mean God's way,
[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but mostly Bill's way.
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And you observe periods of abstinence.
[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to increase your physical enjoyment.
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like fasting increases your enjoyment of food.
[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But do you want to know how self-gradification damages
[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the marriage?
[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So not abstaining.
[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Not abstaining damages your marriage.
[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So having too much sex is bad for your marriage.
[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Bill.
[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Because self-control in marriage is required to keep the
[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: marriage bed holy because sex must be holy always and only
[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: for spiritual purposes.
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You can only have sex for spiritual purposes.
[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: People write that down on your date night.
[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I just like trying to like process like how would I be
[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: thinking about a date when it was just like all the
[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: hormones are raging and you're like connecting and you're
[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like, I really want to like have sex.
[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And they'd be like, no, this is this must be for spiritual
[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: purposes.
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You're in Satan's domain over there, Kyle.
[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of getting your mind out of the gutter, it's
[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_03]: like, get your mind out of hell.
[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus.
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So many Christian couples have accepted the erroneous
[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: philosophy that within the context of marriage, virtually
[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: nothing is immoral as long as both partners are
[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: comfortable with it and neither is harmed by it.
[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's wrong.
[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Consensual sex in marriage has very strict definitions.
[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Holy consensual sex in marriage has very strict
[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: definitions by God.
[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Bill.
[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So he reminds us that we live in an adulterous
[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: generation and a morally corrupt society.
[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And many Christians have learned to be comfortable
[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: with the world's immoral standards.
[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Even when a wife says she's comfortable with an
[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: unnatural act, she often experiences
[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: a deep sense of repulsion at what she is asked to
[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: do and guilt after doing it.
[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I don't know about you, but the women I know
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: are way freakier than the men I know.
[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think the cult understood women.
[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just be real here.
[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that's not a shocking revelation.
[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's better.
[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So what do you think?
[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think Bill means by unnatural?
[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Just take a guess.
[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything other than like missionary position.
[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So.
[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So he just decides to spell it out in vague terms,
[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: which I will then define.
[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Many couples are not aware of the legal definition
[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: of sodomy.
[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Sodomy is a crime of unnatural physical intimacy.
[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: From early times, sodomy has been referred
[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_03]: to in statutes and court cases as the crime
[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: against nature by a man with a man or in an
[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: unnatural manner by a man with a woman.
[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So sodomy is oral and anal sex.
[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you are having anything other than vaginal sex,
[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you are in hell.
[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You are in Satan's domain and your wife,
[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: because again, we are only heteronormative couples
[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: in this cult here.
[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Your wife is is like just feeling revulsion
[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: after sex with you.
[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She is so grossed out by it.
[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't want anything to do with anything
[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: that isn't standard sex with the lights off
[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_03]: in missionary position.
[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But she's too scared to tell you guys
[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: because she has no agency.
[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I feel like there's a lot of people
[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: committing very crimes against nature.
[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't even in marriage.
[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, remember everyone,
[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: you can write that down for your date night as well.
[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, no crimes against nature.
[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: No crimes against nature on your date night, people.
[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Get it together.
[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot more.
[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot more about how like certain acts
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: in marriage are violations of purity
[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and therefore defile the marriage bed or defiling it.
[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Your marriage bed is dirty.
[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeez.
[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, more about abominations.
[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You're abusing yourself, guys,
[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: your violating nature and your participating in wickedness.
[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So wicked.
[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Based on the list above,
[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: these activities are leaving the natural use of the woman
[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: because again, she's just there to be used as a vessel.
[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think it could get worse.
[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's just going to keep getting worse.
[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, naturally, natural use.
[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Natural use women are there to be naturally used.
[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Write that down for your date night as well.
[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm.
[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's also your perverted,
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: which is defined as taking members of our body,
[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: which God designed for one function
[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and using them for an adverse function,
[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: not just another function, but an adverse function.
[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We're all going hell.
[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We're already in hell.
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We're in Satan's domain.
[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I did not expect them to go into this level of detail.
[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like so far, everything else has been very beating around the bush
[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: for the lack of a better term,
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but like don't really talk about these things.
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's best just left unknown
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: so that you're ignorant to these things.
[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And now they're like kind of diving in pretty specifically
[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: to some of these things.
[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of shocked that they went there.
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And the next paragraph says that if you do this,
[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you're a horn monger.
[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So horn mongers.
[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the word.
[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's more translation of the Hebrew and the Greek.
[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You got to keep the marriage bed undefiled,
[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_03]: which means only having sex.
[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: God's I mean, Bill's way.
[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Naturalism.
[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The natural use of the woman must be upheld.
[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone.
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: God is giving guidelines and limitations within marriage.
[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though we may not see a direct cause-and-effect relationship
[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: by violating them,
[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: we cannot conclude that no harm occurs.
[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: For example,
[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: a couple may believe they can engage in a physical relationship
[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: any day of the month and see no harm in it.
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, jeez.
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: However,
[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: a growing number of women,
[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: meaning like what, two,
[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: with chronic yeast infection are finding dramatic relief
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: by abstaining from physical relationships
[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: during the menstrual period as prescribed by Leviticus 1519.
[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do I have a feeling Leviticus
[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: says nothing about the menstrual cycle?
[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it does.
[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know what 1519 says.
[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I love how they just throw these huge claims out there
[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: without any references like, show me the footnotes.
[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Yeah.
[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's a growing number of women.
[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the episodes I've went and reviewed
[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: or like the seven basic needs.
[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you would always reference the verse,
[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but it would never actually quote the verse.
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I had to let you have to like go cross-referencing yourself.
[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's interesting that they're in the cult actual teachings
[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that they throw out these claims.
[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They back it up with a verse,
[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but they don't actually tell you what it is.
[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't like immediately make that.
[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And Leviticus is going to tell us
[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: what a growing number of modern women are experiencing.
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: There's also that little, you know, fact.
[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Partners cannot set their own marriage standards.
[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the most important.
[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Is Bill supposed to do it for you?
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the most important part
[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: of your date night activity guys.
[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: If God's moral standards have been violated in your marriage,
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: it would be very important to confess this to the Lord
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and ask him and your partner for forgiveness.
[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So I need you to think about it.
[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: If you've ever had oral or anal sex,
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: you need to confess it to the Lord
[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and ask for forgiveness from him and from each other.
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And what is God's source of power for self-control?
[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And how does God's law bring us to Christ?
[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, somehow this is about pleasure in marriage
[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and the purpose of marriage, but you know, God's law.
[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The Old Testament law is described by Paul as a schoolmaster
[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: to bring us to Christ, the Apostle Paul, New Testament.
[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The law reveals to us how far short we have fallen
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: of God's Holy Standards.
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It brings us to the point of repentance.
[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: However, once we receive forgiveness for our sin
[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: through the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ,
[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: we enter into our position in Christ.
[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So does that mean you can have any kind of sex you want
[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because you're in Christ?
[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like once saved, always saved?
[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't be in Satan's domain and in Christ simultaneously?
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that makes sense to me.
[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That you couldn't be in both places at the same time.
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So have sex at your own risk people.
[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you're in Christ,
[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't see how you can be in hell at the same time.
[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: More stuff about salvation.
[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm trying to decide if we can just skip through legalism
[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: because then it talks somehow we get into legalism
[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: in pleasure, in marriage.
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a slippery slope.
[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so let's just skip through that.
[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: How do we know when we are sowing to the flesh?
[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What does that even mean?
[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like sowing seeds.
[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Planting seeds and sinfulness.
[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: This question is answered in amazing detail in the Old Testament law.
[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Even if you follow Christianity,
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: you're not living under the Old Testament law.
[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, because it was in the Old Testament
[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: they had all the crazy shit in there.
[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get a tattoo or...
[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And Jesus said he...
[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I forget.
[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's somewhere in the New Testament
[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: that we're not living under that law anymore.
[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We're living under grace or something.
[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the dispensationalist view.
[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But not everyone agrees with that.
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I digress.
[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So Bill says we don't keep the law in order to gain or maintain salvation
[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but we should apply the principles of the law
[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: to avoid sowing to the flesh and reaping corruption.
[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Having sex might result in reaping corruption, even in marriage.
[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this is just a bunch of stuff about how you have to obey the law.
[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: A person may think he is a loving partner
[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: by things he says or does,
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: but God's law is much more precise and accurate
[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in defining what is loving and unloving
[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and having sex in any way other than standard
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: heterosexual, vaginal penetration
[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and what was the rest of this?
[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and never on the period and all that kind of stuff.
[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the only way you can love.
[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and you can't do it.
[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Did I already say you can't do it every day?
[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah.
[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So just lots of things to remember.
[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: How is uncleanness related to the menstrual cycle?
[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're back!
[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We got some very interesting comments about this
[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: from the last episode when we were talking about that.
[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I love hearing from you guys.
[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And if a woman has an issue and her issue in her flesh be blood,
[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: she shall be put apart seven days
[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and whosoever touches her
[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: shall be unclean until the 11th.
[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And everything that she lieth upon in her separation
[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: shall be unclean.
[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So she's just unclean over there.
[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't touch her.
[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't sit where she sits.
[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely don't lay in the same bed.
[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Gotta get the lice all out for that week.
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's safe.
[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: What does the New Testament say about uncleanness?
[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_03]: A bunch of Bible verses that don't actually
[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: really help with anything.
[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: How is a Christian free to gain the benefits
[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: of applying God's law and abstinence?
[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to distinguish between legalism and godly living.
[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he talks a bunch more about legalism,
[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: which I think we're gonna like,
[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: skip right through because it has nothing to do with
[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: marriage and pleasure.
[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's here taking up a huge chunk of the book.
[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there any part of that that's around
[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: or that could be around the men having power over the women
[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe potentially doing illegal things
[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in the whole rape and marriage thing?
[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And so they're like, oh here's the legalism part of this.
[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's not what legalism means in this context.
[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Legalism is, I'll just read it.
[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: There are three of them.
[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Legalism is trying to earn salvation.
[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Legalism is trying to live the Christian life
[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_03]: with the energy of the soul,
[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: which from that trichotomist, whatever view,
[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess you're supposed to be living it from the spirit.
[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And legalism is following the letter, not the spirit.
[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So nothing to do with like taking care of your partner.
[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So how can Christians find the ability
[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: to apply the principles of abstinence?
[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Christ in us, Kyle,
[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: because that overcomes the weakness of the flesh.
[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: What are God's guidelines for times of abstinence?
[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the first one, Kyle?
[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The menstrual cycle.
[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yup, yup, yup, yup.
[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And then if there is an unusual flow
[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: or a need for healing such as a chronic yeast infection,
[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: then the following should also be observed.
[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_03]: One, seven days after the menstrual cycle.
[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Two, 40 days after the birth of a son.
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Three, 80 days after the birth of a daughter.
[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So what are the benefits to you, the man in this situation?
[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like who cares about the women?
[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: What are the benefits of abstinence?
[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, first of all, build self-control.
[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: When sex drives are misused,
[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: they become self-consuming and can never be satisfied.
[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're having enough sex, you will never be satisfied.
[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's burned out lust.
[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And it calls for new forms of perversion,
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: which become even greater tyrants of unfulfillment.
[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So you might get kinkier and we can't have that.
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The relationship between sexual drives and creative energy
[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_03]: has been observed by many.
[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, no footnotes.
[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: However, the principles of God's working through self-control
[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_03]: can be illustrated in the following diagram.
[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: When your sexual drives are under control,
[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: your creative power is outflowing.
[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So if I tell you we can't have sex for a month, Kyle,
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: you better go build an empire
[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_03]: with all that creative power you have outflowing.
[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've heard both ways of this.
[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And just like scientifically speaking, like hormones.
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the latter half of that is what you would classify
[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: like monks and people who are like totally celibate.
[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why they do that is for like spiritual clarity
[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and that kind of thing.
[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that that's wrong.
[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But on the flip side of that, like if you have needs
[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're not being met, it's...
[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, and I don't feel like you're creative
[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: in that moment you're distracted.
[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Because just like I got one thing on the mind
[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and one thing only.
[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that being creative
[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: is the next natural step
[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: or the byproduct of being like...
[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is so individually dependent.
[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe for some people they are more creative
[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: if they're celibate.
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Or situationally.
[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think there's a one size fits all
[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: prescription for this.
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But there is because it's a pole.
[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So as the physical drives
[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_03]: are brought under the control of the Holy Spirit,
[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: greater spiritual power is experienced.
[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna have so much spiritual power, Kyle.
[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: If I stop having sex with you.
[00:26:11] Um...
[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh...
[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Those who complain that they have stronger sexual desires
[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: than normal need to realize what this means.
[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_03]: They have a greater potential of creative power.
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Elijah was such a man.
[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: The tremendous spiritual power which he possessed
[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: is documented in the book of Kings.
[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: However, he is also described as a man of passions.
[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Poor Elijah.
[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't getting any.
[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But it made him powerful.
[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I love how like the female experience
[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and sex is fully removed from this entire dialogue.
[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not mentioned at all.
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: What about women who have to go 80, 40,
[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: a million days without sex?
[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Well they're just a vessel of manhood.
[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, to be used.
[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: They're natural use.
[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that of a vessel?
[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised they didn't say their soul function in life.
[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it kind of did.
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh man.
[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And then of course we have a story that proves all of this is true.
[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: One story.
[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, two.
[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's on par.
[00:27:19] Um...
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: This person says how their dating life was based on nothing but the physical
[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and that led to pregnancy
[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and then marriage
[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and then after that their sex life became ruined
[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and after t- and it just messed with their whole marriage
[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and after 10 years of marriage we attended our first basic seminar.
[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We went over the consequences of defrauding and dating
[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and realized that everything went back to that.
[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they dated wrong so they were doomed.
[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm summarizing here.
[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting that they said after 10 years of marriage
[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: so they clearly went to the seminar,
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you know sometime in their late 20s or at the earliest probably.
[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Late 20s they were 16 and 20 when they got married
[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: because she got pregnant.
[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting that they went back to the basic seminar at that point.
[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna read this part.
[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Also for the first time in 10 years of married life
[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: we began to experience true sexual intimacy after going to the basic seminar.
[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Go to the basic seminar, I'm gonna fix your relationships.
[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Our relationship continued to improve but my wife still felt forced to submit to me.
[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like of course she felt forced to submit to you.
[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It was the whole premise of the cult.
[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She worried daily about whether or not she would have to make love that night,
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: make love as in quotation marks which is interesting to me.
[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So then he had trouble exercising self-control
[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and then they attended the IBLP corporate leader seminar
[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and learned about abstinence during the menstrual period
[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and for seven days after the period because you definitely talk about that
[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: at corporate leadership seminars.
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I thought when you read that.
[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what the hell?
[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The corporate leadership seminar?
[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Well 14 days of abstinence scared him to death.
[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: He couldn't imagine committing to that but God gave him the strength
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and encouragement to talk to his wife and with her permission.
[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He made a commitment to follow that principle.
[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: The relief within my wife was almost visible.
[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The fear was gone from our marriage.
[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_03]: What this tells me is the guy couldn't find the clit.
[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that is all it tells me.
[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We now have a freedom we never experienced before.
[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: We're blessed.
[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So blessed that we almost feel guilty when we are around our Christian friends
[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: who are completely loaded down with problems.
[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Our lives have been transformed by applying this and other principles from God's word.
[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: This made-up principle from God's word.
[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And then, oh it's his wife who confirmed the report.
[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So it is basically just one story.
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I cannot tell you how much the material on abstinence has met to me in our marriage.
[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I have never experienced what has been happening in our marriage since we began
[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: following the principle of abstinence.
[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a miracle, she says, with a lot of exclamation points.
[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Through the power of the Holy Spirit my husband has exercised real self-control
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: in the area of our sex life.
[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel so loved.
[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this all just stimming from her?
[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he doesn't have sex with me as much so this is better.
[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: That's bad.
[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's bad.
[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So then Bill says,
[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope everyone was taking notes.
[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you can do a little quiz at the end of this, your most important and favorite date night
[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and find out if you are a pseudo-intellectual couple or an impetuous frustrated couple
[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: or a gushy sentimental couple.
[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: We can't have sentiment in marriage.
[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand.
[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be a gushy couple?
[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: No, definitely not.
[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That means you've given your emotions to Christ but withheld your sex life.
[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: How dare you?
[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I'm trying to remember what this number two is.
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Benefits of abstinence.
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the section we're in.
[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So another, the second benefit of abstinence is it minimizes marriage boredom
[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and keeps tenderness and expectation alive.
[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: The divorce rate among Orthodox Jews is astonishingly low.
[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, please, where's the footnote?
[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: One estimate was under 3%.
[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: This statistic is significantly lower than the divorce rate among Christians.
[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I would like the data.
[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: When one Orthodox Jew was asked why their divorce rate was so low,
[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: he explained,
[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: we follow the abstinence laws and each month I look forward to the time
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: when we can come together.
[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like being on a continuous honeymoon, the relationship never becomes routine.
[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there are more couples who,
[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_03]: one, two, three, four, four couples, four couples who confirm this with little stories.
[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The first woman says that they get so excited and thrilled with each other.
[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: In those two weeks of abstaining, it's better than any courting or honeymoon existence.
[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We have reached a shared level that is so special and I truly feel cherished and adored.
[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you shared this with women as well as the men.
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting to me is it sounds like what's actually happening
[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: is they're using abstinence as a means of actually dating each other during that period.
[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, this is amazing.
[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, no shit.
[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You're being intentional about dating in this period instead of the other three weeks of the month
[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: when it sucks because you're not dating each other trying to connect.
[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just tying it all to abstinence.
[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of relationship intentionality.
[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Yes.
[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent point.
[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The next guy talks about how they follow it even though his wife had a hysterectomy and doesn't have periods
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and how abstinence prepared a couple for a crisis.
[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I can only imagine what the crisis was.
[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a major surgery.
[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And as a result of this surgery, she would no longer have a period or any other physical difficulties.
[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_03]: When she opened her eyes after the operation, one of the first things she said to me was,
[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: honey, how are we going to count our days now that I won't be having a period?
[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: When I assured her that we would continue to carry out a time of abstinence on a regular basis,
[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: she expressed gratitude and a deep sense of peace.
[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably because she still got a break from him.
[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That was probably what she was most worried about.
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Get this guy off me for a week.
[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the best week ever.
[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So abstinence ends at the peak of the wife's enjoyment of the physical relationship.
[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what Bill has to say about the wife's enjoyment.
[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: In order to obey the injunctions of 1 Peter 3.7 to live with your wife according to knowledge,
[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: it is important to know the precise time of your wife's ovulation.
[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: The easiest way to determine past times of ovulation is to count 14 days back from the beginning of the new cycle.
[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, that's not fully correct, but whatever.
[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: By charting this over several months, the approximate time of ovulation will become clear.
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Other factors may cause this time to vary.
[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It is significant that God designed this point in the wife's cycle for greatest enjoyment of the physical relationship.
[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Couples who wait until this time are given an added blessing which is described in the following section.
[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no.
[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I've listened to enough Bill stuff to know that nothing good comes after that sentence.
[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: How healthier and stronger children come from proper abstinence.
[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, is that a fact?
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Couples who are observing proper abstinence are having children who are stronger and healthier than they expected.
[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, a claim without any...
[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He needs fun notes.
[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Doctors have expressed surprise and delight as tests show the highest possible scores in newborn healthiness.
[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: One medical doctor explained that when a couple practices biblical abstinence,
[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: they come together at the optimum time for her fertility, shortly before or at the time of ovulation.
[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: This timing does not give any opportunity for deterioration of the ovum.
[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Presumptive support of this hypothesis has come from countries where a majority of the population practices the rhythm method of birth control.
[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_03]: In several studies, it has been demonstrated that there is a higher instance of genetic abnormalities than would be expected in these countries.
[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_03]: The rhythm method is exactly opposite the schedule taught in Scripture.
[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the one where I might need to like go punch a wall.
[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: How abstinence allows barren couples to have children?
[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: What?
[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you struggle with infertility, this...
[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You might want to skip forward a minute or two because this is probably going to be some bullshit.
[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: A young couple was informed that due to the inadequacy of the husband's seed, they could not have children.
[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They began following the abstinence principles.
[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: They came together when his seed was the strongest.
[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Do men have a time when their seed is the strongest?
[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly don't know the answer to that question.
[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They also applied several other guidelines which were explained at the seminar.
[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The result was conception and the gift of a treasured child.
[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's their first hand account.
[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They went to the seminar.
[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They'd been trying to have a child without success for months.
[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They listened to the principles of time and uncleanness.
[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's just the husband there, of course.
[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course the life wasn't there.
[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_03]: He went home and told his wife what Bill said and they agreed to try it
[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and they decided to wait the seven days and nothing happened.
[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Then the next year he returned to the pastor seminar, Bill led, and Bill mentioned it again.
[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I had forgotten the waiting period might extend seven days beyond the end of the flow.
[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I went home and shared that with my wife.
[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_03]: We committed this to the Lord and waited 14 days.
[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: As I was in the middle of an extended fast with the Lord,
[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: we abstained on all but the 15th day after the cycle began.
[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: My wife then became pregnant and they had a baby girl.
[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_03]: When they took her to the pediatrician at two days of age,
[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: he commented that she was one of the most perfect two-day-olds he had ever seen.
[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course a doctor is going to say that to a brand new...
[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That was from a pastor in Washington.
[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course there's just one example to reinforce this whole point.
[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, one dude went and did this thing so it's gold.
[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know any of the other variables.
[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, did he change his diet?
[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there are a lot of different factors that impact sperm.
[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure there is. Yeah, there's tons of stuff.
[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was abstinence.
[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It was abstinence, Kyle. Obviously. Definitely.
[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The lack of scientific use in all of this is mind-blowing because it's like basic science.
[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to have a control group and you need to have maybe more than one example
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: to say that this is how it works.
[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about you, but if I'm trying to fix something,
[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to see, oh, one guy did it this way, so that must be how you do it.
[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of like 15,000 people have done it this way and it works.
[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess this is what happens when you get your PhD in your sleep.
[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't learn how to research properly.
[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that.
[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: That is like the whole...
[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, again, I digress.
[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But the fourth thing that abstinence does for you is it sets the couple free from guilt and inadequacy.
[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The focus of the relationship changes from getting to giving.
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Many husbands who had deeply damaged their wives by promiscuity prior to the marriage
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_03]: have been able to restore the spirit of their marriage by following the abstinence guidelines.
[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_03]: They have given testimony that even if there were no other benefits,
[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: this restoration was worth all the discipline that was required to carry out the time of abstinence.
[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he talks about how it's important for couples to be informed
[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: about the consequences of using any unnatural methods of preventing conception.
[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And guilt comes by calling God's blessings curses and God's curse a blessing.
[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This is about children.
[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Children are good, not evil.
[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: They bring light into a home, not darkness.
[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And they are a sweet experience, not a bitter one.
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So like I guess they're saying you have to be happy.
[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You're pregnant every time you're pregnant.
[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Guilt comes by discovering that abortions were unknowingly committed.
[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_03]: There is no question that many birth control methods and devices simply kill the conceived child.
[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Chief among these is the IUD.
[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It comes as a shock to many couples, however, that taking the pill also results in aborting a conceived child.
[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a big debate amongst people.
[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Not today's topic, so I will move on.
[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well we clearly know Bill stands on that.
[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty evident.
[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He quotes something from the FDA.
[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically he's saying that because the pill manipulates the lining of the uterus such that it is not conducive to implantation.
[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yay, Verily.
[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_03]: You have killed a human.
[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Guilt is intensified from health complications.
[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The pill has been proven to produce blood clotting effects, all sorts of stuff.
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_03]: 18 diseases or health problems have been associated with the pill including cancer.
[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny that like when it's real like medical research they have data they can quote.
[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of surprised that they had an FDA.
[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is going back to 1978.
[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I have my own issues with the pill.
[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you know that they tried developing birth control that a man could take?
[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But in all of the clinical trials they were like,
[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: it made me gain weight, it made me moody, I felt bloated.
[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So they abandoned it and that's what the pill does to women.
[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So we just deal with it because contraception is somehow our problem even though we can't get pregnant without sperm.
[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyways, again soapbox, I digress.
[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily disagree that the pill can cause health problems
[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but also his reasons for this are just weird to me.
[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you do what works for you and your body.
[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And stay out of everyone else's business Bill.
[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, the end.
[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Guilt comes from engaging in unnatural physical relationships to avoid conception.
[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So again you can't have anal or oral sex.
[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You'll feel guilty.
[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The woman will in fact feel revolted.
[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my goodness.
[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: When a couple uses unnatural ways of engaging in physical relations in an attempt to avoid conception
[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_03]: they only open up a new set of problems which go deeper than the health consequences.
[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: They strike at the core of the spirit of the marriage and the relationship of each partner with the Lord.
[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The following letter clearly describes the problem.
[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Please, please, please emphasize the importance of men not introducing certain sexual techniques in marriage.
[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of these are things I believe God never intended for us to get involved in.
[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: For example, there is one practice which my husband and I engage in over a period of time.
[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03]: All of a sudden my husband stopped doing it but he didn't tell me why.
[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I had come to enjoy the pleasure of it.
[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_03]: One day I finally asked him why he had stopped.
[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_03]: He said he didn't know just that something told him to stop.
[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_03]: The guilt that I had pushed away over doing this activity came flooding in.
[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_03]: If only I had not been introduced to this, I would never have suffered the frustration and confusion that I did.
[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I asked God's forgiveness for engaging in it in the first place.
[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I asked God to deliver me from the further desire for doing it.
[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: God has mercifully answered these prayers now and praying for deliverance from the memory of it.
[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_03]: At the seminar this year you mentioned what the forbidden fruit was, certain knowledge of evil.
[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_03]: This definition certainly applies to our situation.
[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Curiosity can be a real snare.
[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_03]: A wife from Texas.
[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So she was probably having orgasms and then he stopped doing the thing that was giving her orgasms.
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then that caused a lot of problems.
[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And she had to be delivered from the memory of it.
[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely don't want to be doing that as a man giving her orgasms.
[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Nope!
[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: God forbid.
[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, another benefit of abstinence is it allows physical restoration in the wife.
[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: God promised that none of the diseases of Egypt would be on his people if they obeyed his commandments.
[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The same promises being experienced by couples who are applying the principles of the commandments that God gave his own nation of Israel.
[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how that relates to Egypt in the context of sex and marriage, but okay.
[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: A significant number of health benefits are being reported by couples who have begun following the scriptural guidelines of abstinence.
[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So one couple said infections in a regular cycle is cleared up after proper abstinence.
[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: A bladder infection stopped when abstinence began and this one has a PS.
[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: This wife sent us 16 years of medical records to document her report.
[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So we have two stories that show how abstinence allows physical restoration in the wife.
[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Two stories to back up the claim a significant number of health benefits are being reported.
[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_03]: There were two health benefits that were reported by two people, but that is statistically significant if you're Bill.
[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Which again there's some truth in there around sex and some side effects of that.
[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're not clean or cleaning yourself, it's so interesting.
[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So what that tells me is her husband wasn't cleaning himself.
[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So she was getting all these infections.
[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Then we have a mucus plug in the cervix which eliminates the danger of infections and that plug is formed 7 to 14 days after the onset of the cycle.
[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: In regard to the negative consequences of ignoring the abstinence laws, the medical data is clear.
[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_03]: The potential for spreading disease to the fallopian tubes and all this other stuff.
[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_03]: There are conflicting reports as to whether subsequent to the menstrual cycle of mucus plug forms.
[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's all in quotes, but we don't know from where.
[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And it yeah anyways you can decrease the danger of genetic abnormalities.
[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interesting how much science stuff they're trying to put into this when that's completely absent from the actual schooling material.
[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the ATI material.
[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This is not that what he's saying is correct, but like that level of detail and like scientific information is something you would normally have in like your anatomy class or your health class like in school.
[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And like that isn't, there was nothing.
[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_03]: No you talk about it in corporate leadership in the cold.
[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly.
[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't even figure out what this means.
[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Decreasing the danger of genetic abnormalities.
[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's saying that if you're over 35 years of age you're more at risk for them.
[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess abstinence helps you not have kids after you're 35.
[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But what if your quiver isn't full yet?
[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So many issues left unresolved.
[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Alright we've made it to the end.
[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: What are the continuing consequences of the lack of self control?
[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's passed on to children.
[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a continuing consequence.
[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: How can physical drives be brought under control?
[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_03]: The Holy Spirit.
[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_03]: God's way to transform drives.
[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_03]: One, engraft.
[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Kyle, engraft Romans 6 and 8 into your soul.
[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Two, personalize the name and temptation.
[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Three, compare the sin.
[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Compare the law of sin to the law of gravity.
[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: What?
[00:50:28] Gift.
[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Four, picture yourself dead to sin.
[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I need to go look up the textbook definitions of gravity and sin
[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and try to figure out what the hell he was even talking about.
[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Five, make no provision for the flesh.
[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Or not.
[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe you should just never get married.
[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Six, be accountable to your partner for victory.
[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Seven, yield physical members to God.
[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He's saying yield your penis to God.
[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a t-shirt right there.
[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Each of these seven points is further explained and illustrated in the Eagle story,
[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_03]: which is a book that now is ruined for me.
[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it taught something else,
[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_03]: but apparently we're just talking about yielding your penis to God.
[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to do a segment over the Eagle story.
[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So that is the whole segment on purpose number two of marriage, which is pleasure.
[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Which if you will notice like all we talked about is how to not have pleasure.
[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_03]: There was nothing in there about like foreplay and making sure the wife feels relaxed and comfortable.
[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was all like what not to do instead of like what to do.
[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was all about the menstrual cycle.
[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, there is nothing so far in marriage that isn't about the menstrual cycle.
[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's definitely something you're supposed, according to Bill, work around and that is your guideline for timing.
[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess for everyone who isn't in a heterosexual relationship, none of this applies to you.
[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess you can go do whatever you want.
[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, according to Bill, that's all very unnatural, Amanda.
[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're in hell already.
[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I just know.
[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So Kyle, when are we going to like have our conversation about never having sex again?
[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Never.
[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, thank you.
[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the other thing that's totally left out of this as well.
[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there is nothing about the fact that women like sex.
[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing.
[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Or have needs.
[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Or have needs.
[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Or like men, again, I'm saying men and women married because we're talking about the cult context,
[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_03]: but like men need to learn how to have sex well so that their partner is satisfied.
[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing about that in there.
[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: All I learned is that men in the cult didn't clean their dicks and couldn't find the clip.
[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that is all I learned.
[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It was pre-crossway of putting it, but also like brevity.
[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That is what I learned from this segment.
[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, more about the menstrual cycle.
[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Bill's apparently obsessed with that.
[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes all of his decisions in life based on that.
[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he wasn't even married.
[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't even married.
[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: What does he know about this?
[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, he was sexually assaulting young women.
[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a great...
[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I know where you're going with this.
[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I won't right now.
[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This is where we need like a spin-off podcast where I just like rant about all the stuff
[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_03]: there isn't time to say in this podcast, but also I don't have time for that right now,
[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but maybe someday.
[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, we will wrap it up with that.
[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to know what the third purpose of marriage is so we can preview that for next week?
[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Hang on.
[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_03]: What is the third purpose of marriage?
[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Completeness.
[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh boy.
[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So come back next week to learn how to be complete.
[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're single, you're not complete.
[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Just throwing that out there.
[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry guys, you are so not complete.
[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that wraps up today's episode and we'll be back on Monday.
[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening to another episode of the cult I left behind.
[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Until next time, don't join a cult.
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